MARTY RATHBUN: A former external affairs officer, removed from authority within the Church eight years ago for gross malfeasance which included suborning perjury and obstruction of justice. I feel like he thought he could start his own thing, and when it didn't take off, he was more vulnerable to the bribes that come after the attacks. Why Scientology must be reformed. This blog, "The Gad About Town," is about many topics, from social habits to baseball to art and movies. David Misacavige's and Leah Remini's. The tragedy of Marty Rathbun is that just before he caved to $cientology, he recognized one of Hubbard main M.O.s (Mode of Operating), first spotted by Volney Mathison in 1954. He never gave up scientology, he's still trapped in his belief. Well, I think that I am more towards Rinder and Remini, but that does not mean that Rathburn does not have some points. Thumbnail: WB/Everett Collection.) Regarding the SS Coamo: J. It answers the most frequently asked questions about Scientology today, including: What is behind the madness and violence widely reported on Scientology Inc. supreme leader David Miscavige? 1. I just see his blog posts about how Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are full of shit, even after he went on their show, so I just don’t know where things stand today. If you watch him in the various movies and such, he's still, if not a believer, at least still thinks there's a lot of power within the techniques the "church" teaches. Why would he appear in such a film and corroborate experiences of people in “The Hole” then? Marty does not believe "Scientology works.". A sub for the discussion of all things Scientology related. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. He changed sides. he's still, if not a believer, at least still thinks there's a lot of power within the techniques the "church" teaches. That makes much more sense to me than the other way around. He does not want to destroy the organisation entirely... he wants Miscavige to go. The whole long drawn out fiasco is laid out on a combination of this blog, Tony Ortega’s blog and Rathbun’s blog. Did Virginia steal J. Swift’s research and then wait six years to post them on her blog in order to cover up her deliberate, calculated, and premeditated theft? The video of Church of Scientology executives harassing former Church official Marty “Mark” Rathbun went viral: It was completely reprehensible, outrageous, and irresponsible for the three Scientology officials to have entered a US airport for the purposes of harassing one individual. He's back defending Scientology. Comments. He might be trying to do an amends projects of sorts to re-infiltrate the church in an attempt to attack it from the inside again. (the scene in one of the movies where he gets pissed when they are fooling around with some of the training techniques in particular). Scientology lawyers claim she's a straw figure. Considering how prominent he is in the work done to expose Scientology, I’m surprised we haven’t seen him on … I think he effectively Dead Agent'ed himself. Well, Mr. Rathbun absolutely falls under the ' family members ' category, so that's easy-peasy: He is covered under the TRO. Marty at his most sane does bring up some things.... At his most insane, he is a little hard to take. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. So Jesse Prince's book Expert Witness gives a very honest take on Mike Rinder (who generally doesn't get too much flak) and Marty (who gets a ton). The "anti scientology cult" ... LOL what a joke. There are people who are "IN" Scientology. I can understand that he probably reached a settlement with the church, but to put out countless videos bashing vocal defectors is just embarrassing. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the scientology community. So is this dude back being a Scientologist or what?? Patently false. Also he believes in the tech and continues to practice. https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/. The plaintiff, Monique Rathbun, a non-Scientologist, is married to Mark Rathbun, a prominent dissident who once was Miscavige's second-in-command. Mark Wayne Rathbun, 37, was convicted of assaulting 14 California women between January 1997 and November 2002 – most of them in and around the city’s Belmont Shore neighborhood. I think your getting Marc Headley confused with Mark “Marty” Rathbun. Posts about education written by Mark C. Rathbun. Wow! I had to clean some of them up and saw it first hand as one of his public. Contacting or harassing Mrs. Rathbun's employer, her co-workers, her family members, or her friends." Who did what to whom? “Mark C. “Marty” Rathbun is a former senior executive of the Church of Scientology, who last held the post of Inspector General of the Religious Technology Center (RTC), the organization that is responsible for the protection and enforcement of all Dianetics and Scientology copyrights and trademarks,” Wikipedia says. Abstract Two experiments tested the hypothesis that framing biases in decision making would affect more strongly individuals with relatively low levels of need for cognition (NC). For when he starts off the rails, jump to "February 2016-January 2017: Ruing the day". 1. His blog makes it clear he's not a Scientologist in any form. In a PM, Mr. Time After Time informed me that these are sometimes called "Band-Aid Bushings". Is he that tone deaf that he does not realize this, or is he just doing exactly what the church wants him to either through an agreement or their coercion? Once he and Monique had their child, I believe he cut a deal with Davey so his family wouldn't be harassed. He didn’t have a clue as an auditor. I’m sure I recall a … The Church of Scientology has hit back at filmmaker Alex Gibney’s exposé “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,” which aired Sunday night on HBO. Find out about Marty Rathbun. Apparently, judging by the responses on this thread, lots of people missed that. My name is Mark Aldrich. The tech works when applied correctly in spades. Why haven’t we seen Marty Rathbun on Leah Remini’s show? Swift posted the 1932 and 1933 passenger manifests of the SS Coamo on November 29, 2007 on xenu.net. These things were … Scientology is the road to total… Lame... Reading the comments in this thread makes me realize how the quality in this sub has gone downhill. But it was a deal with the devil. “It should be considered that the role of man is to do more than survive, he should also encourage and help others” link. Scott Rathbun to his brother Marty Rathbun. He is an interesting character. Same with Aznaran. A sub for the discussion of all things Scientology related. “I first met with my eldest brother Scott in his one-bedroom apartment, in an old tenement building by the railroad yard. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. On his blog, Rathbun … There was a pretty telling scene in My Scientology Movie that shows his commitment to the tech at least that’s what I perceive it portrays: https://youtu.be/oKt7jFz-g74. I suspect he'll be writing more books. Because they both dislike the church but for conflicting reasons. He's definitely acting on their behalf at this point. Considering how prominent he is in the work done to expose Scientology, I’m surprised we haven’t seen him on this show as prominently as the other defectors. (Photo by MGM. Killen’s Steakhouse, Pearland, Texas So saying he knew what Mathewson was saying is just false. Hardcore believers would totally act on this type of behavior in my opinion. The jury in the trial of John Michael Rathbun was dismissed by U.S. District Court Judge Mark Mastroianni after it failed to reach a unanimous verdict on two of the three counts. He wrote some good books about Scientology plus a decent fiction book. The timing of dropping the suit, and the justification, were beyond suspicious. He seemed like a highly paranoid anxious angry person so I'm not surprised that he would go back. Who knows? Marty was one of the few "surviving" GO members after the fallout from Operation Snow White. Marty believes that Scientology works, it is Miscavige that is the problem... not what Hubbard taught. Also why is this man not in jail, if not only from admitting to destroying information related to their handling of Lisa McPherson? However, when you mix that with some of Marty's weaknesses (like being quite... self-important and self-centred, denial and pushing away of his role for Miscavige) then he expresses some interesting views. Great, extensive history (high five if you're a bunkerite!) Watch videos about the JACKIE cult. I am a gad about town. It makes a lot of sense, his vibe has always been off and his behavior in the My Scientology Movie speaks volumes. He finally settled outside of the public eye and now keeps quiet. The poor women say they know the guy was crazy but still believe the things they were taught there. You need to remember that Scientology harassed him for years and repeatedly took him to court. I … I read a comment on YouTube discussing this that really struck me, especially because of Marty’s history while in the church. If you look at Marty's writing just prior to his caving and taking the money from Miscavige and agreeing to make a series of videos attacking critics of Miscavige, his understanding of Scientology - the subject - had evolved. The only thing for sure is he made a final set of videos and then withdrew from the Scientology vs. Anti-Scientology arena. Dealing with threats from DM or others might make someone crazy. The reenactment scenes he did with Louie were insane. It’s curiously fascinating yet disgusting to watch him defect and “see the light” to a degree only to later bash defectors publicly. Wrote Marty: "Ron educated his followers on the mechanics used to control and damage the mind, and simultaneously employed those by him to do precisely that to his followers, having been educated by Ron on the techniques would never guess they would be used on [them] his followers.". At one point, Miscavige, Aznaran, and Prince (the bosses of RTC at the time) arranged to have a freezoner murdered by planting drugs on him in Taiwan. It was Rathbun whose wife Monique fired her lawyers. We see it everyday. He escaped as soon as he was taken to the hole, even though he sent so many people there; He couldn't handle not being Davey's big bad enforcer. Scott held a degree in psychology, and I thought he might have some useful input on the task ahead of me. He still believes in scientology, but not the church. There are people who have left and are very anti-Scientology as a whole... there are people who have left Scientology but because they have a problem with the way things have gone, but they still believe in Scientology. Brainwashing is crazy powerful. Here he is courtesy of the New Orleans Police who supplied this mug shot after Rathbun was arrested for public drunkenness and disorderly conduct. Nanci Rathbun is a lifelong reader of mysteries – historical, contemporary, futuristic, paranormal, hard-boiled, cozy … you can find them all on her bookshelves. Because the tiny tyrant was right this once, Marty couldn't make it in the outside world. (Figuratively, not literally, honest.). 2. I have no direct knowledge of this, but I think he reached a private settlement with COS that satisfied his (and his wife's) wants and needs. This doesn't really tell us he's 100% back into the church, but it's interesting that hes got so much stress about it all. The only thing I'd accept by way of amends in an abstract (OT) way is DM's head on a pike. Introduction and Groundbased Data [2] Loki Patera is a 200 km diameter horseshoe‐shaped low albedo feature on Io, located at approximately 10 N 310 W. Galileo measurements confirm that the hottest portions are equivalent to the low albedo regions and recent Galileo Photopolarimeter‐Radiometer (PPR) estimates indicate that when active, Loki accounts for roughly … Imo, yep. Marty is envious of the church. The classic cuts comes from Allen Brothers in Chicago, the city where Rathbun dined at five steakhouses in 24 hours all in the name of meaty research. Any teacher or prophet who does not genuinely wish, encourage and enable students or adherents to ultimately learn and discover beyond what he has to impart is really no teacher or prophet at all. Marty ended up squirreling the tech himself with his public. He saw it as interwoven with negatives put there by Hubbard. He was writing to get a settlement and nothing more. How much did your soul cost? First Aid, Band-Aid, whatever, points to an obvious conclusion. If you read his own writings he was, essentially, trying to start his own movement, and then started adding in Eastern influences and a lot of other stuff. He's a "private" scientologist. In his current blog, attacking Leah Remini, we find the usual inability to provide either facts or honesty.… Vicky wrote up an affidavit twisting the truth and confusing readers, recanting her story. Facebook Twitter Email LinkedIn Reddit Pinterest. This is when he starts selling out his friends and defending Davey again. I think they made a deal with him that if he shut up, he would stop getting squirreled and get his family back, honestly. Rathbun was basically the Gestapo of the CoS. She brings logic and planning to her writing from a background as an IT project manager, and attention to characters and dialog from her second career as a Congregationalist minister. He still practises Scientology, from what I understand, as an independent and he still audits people. They either paid him off enough or blackmailed him to recant his criticisms. Mike is out to get the church because of the damage they cause (himself included). There's probably some boring legal reason. 100 Best Movies on HBO Max (January 2021) HBO comes out swinging in the increasingly crowded streaming arena, with HBO Max offering the masses arguably the deepest, most far-reaching library of titles among platform competitors. This led me to do some re-thinking about the matter. I am a one-time winner of the New York Press Association's Best Humor Columnist award in its annual "Better Newspaper" contest. You’re using the same critical statements as others for decades with a clear bias. Marty Rathbun said on May 10th, 2013:. He pretends to hate them but really he just wants to start a spin off. ... Cal head coach Mark Fox has had to get creative with his rotations. But I can’t escape that feeling that it just doesn’t seem like Rathbun. My mother received multiple electro-convulsive shock therapy treatments while pregnant with me. … I recalled my mother being taken off to a private psychiatric facility while I resided in her womb. People who alter Scientology are referred to as squirrels. Monique Rathbun vs David Miscavige and Scientology In Activism, Human Rights, No Time For Slaves, Religion, Politics and War, Scientology on September 17, 2013 at 9:03 pm Posted on October 16, 2020 by Mark C. Rathbun | Comments Off on Monique Rathbun vs. Church of Scientology II Recently Tony Backpage Ortega, Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Ray Jeffrey, and Paul Haggis conducted a coordinated pile on effort to shut me up. Will be interesting how much further he entrenches himself by way of the mechanics of betrayal, especially at the OT level of things. Marty backpedaled a bit and began criticizing Mike and Leah on his page, I believe. Jim and Sam Show 501,586 views See page one of his post: Was L. Ron Hubbard Given a Pre-Frontal Lobotomy? Basically, OP, there are not two sides. Facebook Twitter Email LinkedIn Reddit Pinterest. That logic is lost on me. I know Rathbun played around with indie Scientology for awhile, then tried tinkering with Hubbard’s ideas to see if he could make some variations on them work for awhile, but didn’t he ultimately conclude that it simply was not true and could not be fixed? Fuck you, Marty. I agree that it seems likely that he cut a deal with Scientology, or with a third party acting on behalf of Scientology. Rathbun calls them "First Aid Clock Bushings". He fancies himself the Martin Luther of Scientology. A personal friend of mine told me after the show that I had been (her word) “amazing,” which is a word that is employed to describe a wide range of human achievements, from the successful rescue of a kitten in a tree to the collection of awkward twitches and empty-brain pauses I … Press J to jump to the feed. Recently Mark Rathbun, a former member, started a squirrel group which he refers to as Independents or Independent Scientologists. I find this account entirely believable because Prince admits his own role in this highly illegal operation. He appears to have become disillusioned with what he calls the "Anti-Scientology Cult". The theory is that Marty defected solely to infiltrate the defector community to essentially gather information against high ranking S.P’s. I think, if anything, it’s the reverse of what you’re saying. Or perhaps that's a part of his private settlement, if there is one. It is full of conjectures or speculations. Not Only is he not attacking Scientology he's producing Golden Era Studios quality videos denouncing critics of Scientology. So, at least IMO, it's part the Church offered him a truce, and part he's not entirely comfortable with the "it's all bullshit" tone many of the exposes take with it. IIRC in the book, Marty, aka "Special Project L", was heading the operation. The absurdity of this is that to be a Scientologist is to be independent so it does not require an adjective. So, where do I stand on this issue and where should you stand? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the scientology community. It's similar to being mormon, but not a member of the LDS. Tony Ortega - Scientology Secrets + Tactics, David Miscavige, Tom Cruise - Jim Norton & Sam Roberts - Duration: 42:24. He was an opportunist and a thug through and through, using PIs and ex-police connections to blackmail and track enemies of the Church. I don't think he's "in," but he pretends to be as part of the deal. Marty Rathbun has hitched his already questionable wagon of misinformation to a group of Scientology Fair Game supporters in order to further his and OSA's mission. I’m guessing it’s part of the settlement. He's confused and overwhelmed. The man being berated is Mark "Marty" Rathbun, who spent two and a half decades in the church, rising to become a top official there before breaking away in 2004. He actually believes the crap and thinks he should be in charge. It makes a lot of sense the more I think about it due to how deeply Rathburn believes in the “tech.” All the harassment stuff was completely staged. My understanding is that he is still a scientologist, but not a member of CoS. I know Rathbun played around with indie Scientology for awhile, then tried tinkering with Hubbard’s ideas to see if he could make some variations on them work for awhile, but didn’t he ultimately conclude that it simply was not true and could not be fixed? October 10, 2012 By Mike Rinder Leave a Comment. I can understand how it gets confusing…that’s if I’m understanding your post correctly. He never left the tech, was giving auditing to free zone members for years. I think it's a buy off. He believes that Rinder and Remini have gone too far and that they are raking up old, old things that Scientology has sought to address. That certainly makes the most sense of the evidence. activism, civil rights, David Miscavige, human rights, Lamont A Jefferson, Les Striebel, Mark Rathbun, Marty Rathbun, mind control, Monique Rathbun, Ray Jeffrey, Scientology. After all, is not the enemy of my enemy my friend? He believes that Rinder and Remini distort what they are saying for their own personal gain and that he is calling that out. I imagine he saw the movie and it made him emotional. What do you guys think? I call BS on your statement. Debbie Cook was gagged with IAS donations and dropped her lawsuit. Insanity runs deep in my family. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In the Prince/Aznaran-Miscavige power struggle after the death of LRH and the sidelining of Pat Broeker, Marty was firmly in Miscavige's camp as his attack dog in chief. 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